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campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. breaking news. toure trying all day to make it back from st. louis. that's not exactly the breaking news but he's been stranded by the beginnings of this big blizzard. it's now really starting to get going. expecting at least a foot of snow here in new york. both massachusetts and connecticut under states of emergency and the bull's eye is boston where 30 inches of snow are possible. this is "the cycle" so you know our coverage is going to be epic. nick walker sets up with where the storm is now.
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paul goodloe covering this in new york's times square and how the worst in new england where ron mott is reporting from in providence, rhode island. the weather channel and nick walker start us off. when's the late semest. >> well, it is very seldom we get snowfall forecasts like this. two to three feet here in the southern portions of maine, down through vermont, new hampshire on in to portions of ma m and looks as if boston probably get anywhere mean 18 and 24 inches. this could be a record-breaking storm for them. new york city's probably going to be in the 12 to 18-inch range. here in boston, we are under blizzard warnings now. blizzard conditions expected with the prolonged time of wind and heavy snow. the snow is really picking up in boston right now. the radar showing it's all snow. temperatures there below freezing and the timing is such that the snow will continue to pick up over the next few hours. by nightfall, probably two to four inches of snow. blizzard conditions this evening. probably 25 to 40 hello mile-her
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hof sustained winds and through the night and even rising to 35 to 60-mile-per-hour range. 12 to 18 inches more falling and then tomorrow morning beginning to see it taper off and additional five inches could fall and blizzard conditions for a while longer, perhaps even after the snow tapers off and visibility will be very low. we'll continue to watch all of new england, as well as new york city, which is under that blizzard threat, as well. you're under a blizzard warning from new york northward and out toward long island and seeing the possibility of gusty winds developing already the snow falling and continuing to pick up so the timing for new york city is a mixture of snow and rain although that's now turned over to snow just about everywhere in the new york city area. about an inch of snow, the winds gradually picking up and then tonight we'll see that pick up to eight to 12 inches of snow, blizzard conditions developing
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with winds gusting to 50 miles per hour and then tomorrow it will begin to die down just a bit and as the snow tapers off, continuing to see blowing and drifting snow as the winds could still gust higher than that 20 to 30-mile-per-hour range and city officials taking this seriously and we need to make preparations and just stay home, hunker down and stay off the roads. back to you. >> absolutely. nick walker, thank you. now to the weather channel's paul goodloe down the road from us in messy times square. >> reporter: yes. we are starting to see and then range midday and now changing back over to snow. sometimes sleet mixing in, as well. this is the calm before the storm and perhaps lulling people in to, oh, it's not going tock as bad as you are talking about. it's still early. the storm is getting closer and stronger as it moves towards us. you can see there's still quite
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a bit of people out here in times square. we haven't seen as much snow as people were talking about but remember we are talking about a long duration snow event. really getting going, probably right around rush hour in to tonight and overnight, as well. so if you come back to us, say, 8:00, 9:00 tomorrow morning, we could be dealing with maybe 10, 12, 18 inches of snow here in manhattan. of course, seeing more north and even east of the city. long island will see potentially that two-foot amount of snow, as well. again, some of the snow cut down initially with mixing and changing over with rain but just north of here, temperature at white plains just gotten to 32. been below that and snow all day and the roads are much more difficult to travel further away from the city as you get, also further away from the rain/snow line we've been dancing with earlier today. again, this winter storm really hasn't even begun across new york and that's the key. the mayor was talking about it.
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mayor of new york city. the governor of connecticut. the governor of massachusetts. they're all talking about hunker down. basically, shelter in place. ride this one out. good news is it is happening on a friday afternoon. friday night. so most people are not working this weekend. and again, most schools are not in session over the weekend, as well. good timing on that. we haven't seen anything yet in terms of winter storm and hopefully people wrap up the day and the travel because it will get pretty bad here. just last hour or so, we had a wind gust to laguardia, 44 miles per hour. that's about five, six miles where the crow flies. we are somewhat protected here and expecting winds gusting maybe close to 40 miles per hour so what will fall will be blowing back over the streets after they're plowed so this is a long duration event. we are looking at maybe 1,700 flights canceled here of the 3 airports here in new york city alone. the airlines are preparing and
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this could be a type of storm to linger in terms of people getting back to where they're going and traveling and lingering in to this coming weekend. back do you. >> paul, thank you so much. north to new england. expected to get hit the hardest. nbc's ron mott in providence, rhode island. >> reporter: hey there, krystal. beautiful winter wonderland behind me. not so beautiful on the roadways. a lot of folks heeded the warnings and gone home or stayed home today which is a very good thing. traffic here in the capital of rhode island pretty light all day long. the governor at 1:00 sent all of the nonemergency state workers home for the weekend, telling them to get with their families and ride this thing out in to the safety of their homes like in new york and massachusetts. up in to maine. the big concern going in to tonight, the winds to see and how that might affect the trees and power lines going down and power going down and asking folks really to hunker down, get the flashlights and batteries
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ready, not so much the candles because the last thing to see is to see fires coming on the backside of this storm if the power does, in fact, go out. here in rhode island they're expecting anywhere from two to two and a half feet of snow. i had a gentleman here working for the state said he can't remember the last time they had a snow event here in providence where a foot of snow or more fell since about the late '90s and this is -- you know, hearty here in new england but a long time since they've had a good snow event like we're expecting to see. in massachusetts, 3:30, about 15 minutes or so, 20 minutes, the nbta with the trains and subways in the boston area will turn the keys off and shut the system down and then at 4:00 governor patrick ordered everyone off the streets except for those essential personemergency persoo get the roadways prepared with ice-salt mixtures and then the snow and then the plows behind
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that. it's a long night here in rhode island, up in to boston and in to maine as a lot of folks want to come out and see this big snow event but the officials are saying please, please, please stay in the house tonight. back to you guys all right. ron mott in providence, thank you so much. excuse me. and now, over to professor kornacki for some context -- >> what? >> may not have been alive 35 years ago but the memory was taking notes on the blizzard of $78. steve? >> that's right. we just had ron talking about no one remembers the last time providence had, you know, more than a foot of snow. late '90s. talking more than two feet of snow in providence, rhode island. i think you have to go back to the blizzard of '78 and the eerie thing of the timing, 35 years ago this week. and this storm was truly epic. it was -- it was a northeast storm. go to atlantic city, new jersey, 20 inches of snow there. new york city shut down.
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but really, it was eastern massachusetts, rhode island, parts of connecticut. this thing was truly a monster. in massachusetts, you had up to four and a half feet of snow in some places. you had wind at 70 miles per hour in boston. 100 miles per hour in cape cod. you had 2,100 homes destroyed. 29 people in massachusetts that were killed by this thing. so obviously, it was a serious storm but it was also something if you're 40 or over and you're from new england, you're still talking about this and telling people about this and you remember this. under 40, you grew up hearing about it from those people. i have had -- i grew up in massachusetts. fascination with the storm and this week i went and looked for old pictures. take a look. you know, this is -- well, this is -- here we go. this is what i wanted. route 128. this is the big highway, the belt around boston. people literally had to abandon their cars. rush hour traffic. it started coming down and it just didn't stop and it piled up and the traffic moving too slow and had to get out of the cars
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and leave and the cars on the highway for three days. duval patrick, governor of massachusetts, today shutting down traffic on the roads in massachusetts. well, the governor of massachusetts in 1978 had to do the same thing. i mean, this was a result. days after the storm, people out there retrieving the cars. take a look. the next shot here we have here, down on the boston. the cleanup. there's a great story, though. the old boston garden, the sports arena, in boston, you know, closed a few years ago but it was arrive in 1978. they were having a college hockey tournament. the four boston schools and playing the first, you know, first two games that night. got -- wrapped up at midnight as the storm at the height of the storm and people got -- 200 people stranded at the boston garden for three days. very boston thing. they'd rather have hockey than go home, i guess. i think we have another shot of -- this is not the one i was expecting. whdh, the old radio station.
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okay. these are people cross country skiing. this is after the storm. roads are still shut down. if that face looked familiar, that was the governor at the time. michael dukakis. this storm did for his popularity in massachusetts what sandy did for chris christie in new jersey. his popularity stratospheric. on tv for three days and yet just a few months later in the democratic primary for govern nor of ma ma in 1978 he was defeated by a conservative democrat ed king. nearly lost the political career. spent four years in the political career and came back in 1982. maybe there's a lesson there for chris christie. i don't know. this is my favorite. this is rhode island. this is, you know, that was like two or three days after the storm. i have to tell you something. i have a dream to make a movie, a period picture called "blizzard of '78."
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i don't know what the plot would be but hollywood, call me. we'll talk it over. >> such an old-timer. >> a lot to work with there. >> that's all from the weather centerment back to you now. >> historical weather center. >> from the mind of steve k kornac kornacki. thank you so much. up next, another fast-moving story. the manhunt for a suspected cop killer under way in california. the san bernardino county sheriff's department updating the situation right now. we'll have the latest as we roll on on this busy and snowy friday afternoon. [ male announcer ] you know that guy that's got a ham radio in his basement. he can talk to china, mongolia and all the koreas and he eats velveeta shells and cheese. so who are you calling amateur? liquid gold. eat like that guy you know.
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more breaking news now on "the cycle." the san bernardino sheriff's department announced no progress two days in to the massive manhunt for the a former naval reservist and fired lapd officer linked to a murderous strpree. christopher dorner accused of killing three people and declared war on the entire police department. headquarters remains on lockdown. nbc's mike taibbi in los angeles for us with the latest. what's new, mike? >> reporter: well, not a whole lot new in pinpointing where dorner is or might be. mcmann had the quote that he could be anywhere. they have no idea at this point whether he's far north in the big bear area where his burning truck was found late yesterday afternoon or whether he's down in san diego where he allegedly tried to steal a boat to get down south out of american waters and hard to say. there have been reports all over
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the place and just to give you an idea of how jumpy law enforcement are, i mean all over, this is a search that while it's kind of an all-hand search, not no focussed on any one area, i got a text of an attorney, takes serious cases and said that they have been retained by a third person claiming to have been fired on by police because he was driving a truck similar to them. that of christopher dorner and this individual, described by the attorney has a 38-year-old surfer dude, a thin white male while the suspect, of course, is 6 foot, 250 pounds and said in the town where two elderly women were fired on, the same kind of thing happened. the rams rammed the suspect's fire and then opened fire. he was not hit. expects to be filing a suit by late this afternoon. big bear's about 100 miles or more to the north and east of where we are right now. san diego. about 130 miles to the south.
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along the border, as well. this is an individual who's trained, trained as a sniper, trained in military tactics. he may have weapons as big as a 50-caliber weapon we're told which fires five-inch rounds and can pierce a vehicle, as well. the police approached where the search and in vehicles with full armor and right now no specific idea on where he is or might be. he's been on the run now for a full 24 hours since the murder of the two police officers and as the sheriff said could be anywhere at this point. >> thanks so much. joining us now is adam lankford, assistant professor of criminal justice at the university of alabama, author of "the myth of martyrdom: what really drives suicide bombers, rampage drivers and other self destructive killers." thank you for joining us. >> hi, thanks for having me. >> sure. you make a link between people
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like christopher dorner in l.a. and suicide bombers like, you know, jihadists in afghanistan saying that the cause is really incidental. these are just people who don't want to live anymore. >> sure. well, dorner claims to be waging war on america. and he claims to be fighting against perceived injustices in the system. but in the u.s., we realize and some of it appears in the manifesto and realize that's not really going on. there's a lot of people who see injustice and there's something deeply wrong with an individual like this and, in fact, in his manifesto he acknowledges that he's basically given up on self preservation. felt like he's already dead. that he died years ago and that now he's lashing back at people he feels have persecuted him. we see very similar themes with suicide terrorists but the strange thing is we haven't similarly recognized that just
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because they spout rhetoric about injustices and waging war that's not a true motive also. >> you also write that the differences between mass killers and suicide terrorists lie in how they're shaped by cultural forces and which destructive behaviors they seek to copy. what sort of cultural forces are you talking about and is there something about american culture that has led to this situation of mass shootings? >> in general, there's different forces. there's pop gran da, terrorist propaganda and instructs suicide bombers and other suicide attackers in the middle east and elsewhere on how to act and one of the things that propaganda says is act like a sacrificial hero. act like a holy warrior so looking at the rhetoric in the suicide notes of people like that, you have to dig deeper to get at the true motives unlike cases of christopher dorner,
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like the virginia tech shooter, like the columbine shooters. they actually acknowledged some of their problems and sometimes fess up to being suicidal. >> i guess the question would be, i mean, we can look at the cases individually and suicide bombers, the motives and people reaching the end of the line, you know, domestically here and do something like this but got to be cases where there is something to indicate that the perpetrator dozen his or her life. isn't necessarily doing it out of suicidal -- for suicidal reasons but looking for glory or something. i can -- certainly a lot of serial killers come to mind there. >> yeah. well, what i would say is actually a lot of one who is are suicidal are also looking for glory. so it's no surprise that virginia tech shooter, cho, he sent a martyrdom video he made to news stations for attention despite he knew he would never see that and similar things with
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dorner and we see similar things with suicide terrorists. there's a big difference between the tiny percentage of terrorists who blow themselves up for the cause. they are suicidal. and the much larger pool of regular terrorists who are willing to fight, who are willing to risk their lives, who do want fame and glory and also value surviving and hope that they fight, win and live. >> and i read that you've said that there's a computer test that can immediately determine whether someone is suicidal or not. that seems a little hard to believe. is that true? >> yeah. well, i guess what i'd say is you're right and advanced technology always seems a little hard to believe ahead of time and then we become accustomed to it and accept it. this is technology in the testing phases and already remarkable at exposing racial bias, gender bias, things that -- biases that people want
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to keep hidden or don't realize they have. now that test is applied to recognizing whether people are suicidal or not and it's more accurate than psychiatrists at making the same diagnosis and the exciting thing is that you could apply this technology to screen people before they purchase weapons, get on planes, before they enter military check points. if i was on a plane, i would like to know if the person next to me was planning on living through that flight or not. >> wow. interesting. and exciting to contemplate. adam, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. my pleasure. up next, a check on how the blizzard impacting travel and what you need to do to get through it. plus, a surprise guest. i think i know who that is. mom always got good nutrition to taste great.
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back now with the breaking coverage of this big blizzard in the northeast. as we know, toure is stuck in baltimore today. it's not to celebrate the ravens big super bowl win. he is stuck there because flights in and out of new york are halted. rehema ellis is at laguardia in queens and what do you have for us, rehema? >> reporter: not so busy right now. in fact, take a look around me. this is how the bliz ard is affecting one of the busiest airports in the country. follow me here to the monitor everybody checks on. everything in yellow, that's the color of the day. canceled all the way down. a lucky group of people now boarding. they might be one of the last flights out of laguardia. more than 3,000 flights canceled across the country. greater new york area.
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and the flights are going to be canceled tomorrow, as well. the airlines have tried to get ahead of the storm and they have also said to passengers, do the same. they have waved the fee that cancelation fee to make it easier and also less expensive for passengers to change their plans and at this point it is not much else will be flying out of this airport for the rest of the day. tomorrow, they say they're -- and during the night, they hope to have some 200 pieces of snow removal equipment at work making certain that the planes are cleared, the runways cleared in the night and the day to maybe get the airport ready before the weekend is over on sunday. steve? >> all right. rehema at laguardia, thank you. now to mary thompson in hackensack, new jersey. at a home depot there. >> reporter: steve, sales were brisk today and basically earlier in the week. home depot down plays the impact
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of any one storm on the sales and will tell you that sales tend to be a little bit less before and after a blizzard than they would be during a hurricane. this time, though, it might be different. i was speaking to a regional manager telling me when's different about this storm is demand is up ahead of it and part of the reason for that is a lot of residents don't want to be caught short as they were with superstorm sandy. listen to home depot customer rick martinez. >> if the power goes down, my -- i have hot air. that will not work. i have small children. that is my biggest concern. >> gas tanks. filling up the tank for the snow blower. plan on using it this evening. >> reporter: he certainly will be using that snow blower. good news for him is he didn't need one coming in to the storm. it is out of snow blowers, generators. it is also out of gasoline cans. all of that can be related back
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to sandy. think about generators. typically bought before a hurricane. it is different this time. so many people left without power after sandy so a lot of people coming in here. they sold 50-plus generators in 24 hours, alone and earlier sold out of salt and that ice melt. they just got a couple of palettes in. people came right over. they took about half of the palettes away and still demand for that. rest of the stuff, you're out of luck in hackensack. back to you. >> mary thompson, thank you. i think we have someone on the phone that knows a thing or two about the cancelations and delays. toure, is that you? >> steve -- "planes trains and automobiles" got nothing on me. i got -- tried to get on the 6:30 a.m. delta. all delta flights were canceled. i ran over -- this is in st. louis. ran over to southwest airlines. they got me on an 8:30.
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they said that we're 20 minutes from landing in new york and then like, oh, sorry. too much. we have to go to baltimore. land in baltimore. we were waiting there for an hour and then like everybody get back on the plane. going to new york. sitting on the tarmac. about to take off. second in line. nope. sorry. get out of here. you're canceled. all flights are canceled. am tracks are canceled. can't get on that. about to rent a car. no more cars. go back to am track. now i'm about to get on an am track. hopefully getting me to new york to see my baby tonight. i'm so sorry that i missed you guys. i know s.e. is not sad but i'm sad that i don't get to see her. >> toure, good luck getting back. if you want to match it you have to ride in a -- one of those mack trucks but hopefully it doesn't come to that. good luck getting back and see you on monday, at least i hope. >> steve, can i tell you how much i enjoyed that blizzard of
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'78 retrospective? make this a recuring segment for people. do you like weather? do you like massachusetts history? from the '70s. have we got a show for you. >> obsessed with michael dukakis? do you want to know how michael dukakis relates to the biggest storms of the century? >> what i liked about the blizzard of '78 segment was universal appeal. i think whether you're watching the show in oregon or texas or florida -- >> no matter your age. >> appreciate the slice of eastern massachusetts history revisited 35 years later. no, i have always been -- it's one of the things, i grew up hearing about it from people living through it and then the pictures. combination of -- to see the entire downtown and see it completely shut down. to see the major highways around the city and after the storm, closed for three days. you had sunny skies, no clouds. cleared roads and they're just
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empty. it's a post apocalyptic thing. >> it's 128 i drove every day. just crazy. i was not alive like you in the blizzard of '78. so i have no memories of it. >> right the spirit, though. >> we were mapping out the movie to see made of the -- sort of like a -- >> ben affleck? >> in boston, it's ben affleck. >> like the poseidon adventure for storms. >> i haven't really figured out the plot. that whole thing about the people getting stranded at boston garden. right? >> that's one story line. >> the hockey ref and the wife lives in -- they live in hingeham. >> i like it. >> she needs the dialysis or something. that's a plot line and then two young people and a guy and a girl driving on 128 and the cars crashed in to each other and snow piles up and at first mad and then realize they need each other to find shelter.
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i don't know. so -- there's another plot. romantic. >> all connected. >> it's the hockey ref 50 necessary nephew. >> they're all related to michael dukakis. >> i don't know what you will be doing this weekend snowed in. i'm going to be going out with a producer friend brian for snow-jitos. i made that up for myself. >> surprisingly i won't have them. no wonder i didn't have that invite. >> what is that on top? what was the top of the cup there? what is that? >> that looks like mint. >> yeah. >> mint. >> mint. >> i wasn't sure. >> what's in yours, steve? >> this is the weekend to find out. >> do you know anything? >> do you think toure is really stranded? >> that sounded like fort green in the back. facebook friends in the northeast are also bracing for this storm. but for some, just another friday. jean says shovel, rest, shovel, rest. normal winter weather here in
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northwestern vermont. good one there, jean. make sure you post your pics on our facebook page and clearly don't put yourself in danger taking them. straight ahead, notes of a political scandal. that man that knows a thing or two of them. he spent two years in the slammer. a deal for jesse jackson jr.? maybe blackmail. google it. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness?
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mine ended in embarrassment. his led to a year in federal prison. jeff smith served a year for obstruction of justice after lying to the feds of campaign finance violations dating back to the 2004 congressional campaign. he served his time and now writes a political advice column entitled "do as i say." jeff is also an assistant professor at the new school. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> one of the things that always surprises me, i guess it shouldn't at this point, it seems like they handle it so poorly. why is it just so hard to be forthright, apologize and try to move on? >> i handled things poorly instead of fessing up. >> that's why i asked you. >> yeah. instead of fessing up to a minor violation i signed a false affidavit and of course ended up in prison. i think we all have a knee jerk
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in politics to kind of circle the wagons and say, hey, you know what? i didn't do anything wrong. that's usually being -- deceiving people. we saw that anthony weiner. he told the colleagues in congress, none of this is true. my account got hijacked or -- and clearly, you know, he was lying to nancy pelosi. he was lying to the colleagues. and i think that's why he didn't have anyone defending him when he went down. >> right. >> i wonder what you make of new jersey senator menendez. nobody know what is to make of the story. there's two parts. whole allegation of prostitution. i have no idea what's going on there but a top donor in florida, his office was raided by the fbi last week. this guy under investigation for something and now we know that menendez made calls about
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medicare payments to this doctor. he is a doctor. medicare -- he made calls to medicare to try to get more reimbursement i think for this doctor. was he leaning on the feds, more than that? there's controversy for menendez and how do you think he's handled it so far and what do you think he should be doing? >> i think he's handled it pretty poorly. another aspect is the plane trips that he took down to the dominican republic on the private plane of the doctor in question. i think the plane trips cost nearly $60,000. >> right. >> for two private plane trips. the total net worth is under $100,000. he gave as an excuse, it was just sloppy paper work and then wrote a check for the amount in question. when you're worth less than $100,000, you don't just take two private plane trips that account for almost 90% of the total net worth. >> and not even notice. >> yeah. saying it was sloppy paper work was a mistake there.
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another mistake and difficult situation, of course, for him because the doctor in question was not a constituent. had the doctor been a doctor in new jersey, there's i think much more ready explanation. you say, i was intervening because i fight harder than anyone for my constituents. that's my role. i'm an ombudsman for people of my state. >> there's news today that jesse jackson jr. may face jail time. i read your piece today. when j.t. that's you, met pork chop, or sex lies and prison love -- what is prison like for a politician? >> in case anyone googles when pork chop met j.t. i'm neither. >> oh no! >> and i made it out of prison safe if you will. but the point is that prison -- there's a few things that i
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could say about it. first of all, when you go there and someone of some renown for some reason, the most important piece of advice is to remember what your grandma told you. you have one mouth and two ears. take the first, you know, couple of months and try to blend in. watch what other people are doing and listen and don't ask a lot of questions. >> not nice to politicians in prison? no? so weird. >> sort of like normal society. >> well, i think another key is to try to be helpful to people. there's a lot of ways to help. people with cases they want help putting together, appeal of ineffective counsel or something else. if you have training like jesse jackson has, he could help people write appeals. he can help -- >> make the best of your time there. >> make the best of your time there. >> sounds like -- >> you had good stories in the pieces. >> sounds like the skills could serve you well. jeff smith, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. up next, you have likely
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seen them or heard the sounds outside. men and women in the trash looking for cans and bottles for cash. we'll talk to the mifilmmakers behind a documentary on this unlikely subject. >> everybody's -- down on their luck. you survive. you know? >> you can't take everything. it is not yours. so gross. well you didn't use new pam, so it looks like you're "stuck" with me. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray leaves annoying residue. that's why there's new pam.
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that i knew. hey, how are you doing? in this area, there's a lot of young people. young people with good jobs. they're the guys with the money. >> they say one man's trash is another man's treasure but a documentary follows new yorkers cashing in on trash to survive. we have all seen it on the side of a soda bottle. a nickel or a dime in michigan. doesn't seem like much. we toss it in to recycling without thinking twice but growing minutes of people survive redeeming bottles and cans and called canners and often the difference between eating and go hungry. they're the focus of documentary "redemption" airing this here on hbo.
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joining us are the filmmakers. congrats, guys, on the oscar nod. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. >> what was your goal here with this document ri? what did you set out to do? >> learn about the friends and neighbors living in new york city. you know? if you live in new york, you have seen the men and women all around the city. we see them every day. the offices are down in chinatown and one day we were meeting with sheila nevins of hbo and she said, you know, i just saw this person going through the trash. and what are they like? what are the lives like? is there a film here? do you think there's a film? and that's what set us off to discover. >> leave it to sheila. a genius. >> she's great at that. kind of an editorial eye. >> speaking of who are these people, let's take another look at another clip of the film.
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>>. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john, the city is so expensive. how are these people able to even survive here? >> it's tough. and many of the jobs that these folks used to do are gone. i live in chinatown. and all of the all the buildings surrounding my house used to be full of sweat shops and in the middle of the night you hear the women working in the factories. all those factories are gone. we don't make anything anymore. and, unfortunately, if you want to be in new york city, sometimes the only way you can stay here is to go through the garr bage and there's more and more people every day. coming up in the weather,
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everybody is saying, this storm, we have to go home. the canners aren't going home, they're out on the streets right now. >> matthew, i don't think this is maybe a phenomenon just limited to new york city. it probably says something about the high cost of living here. i have been in rural maine, for instance. one thingnoticed is there seems to be a proliferation of these bottle redemption centers. like out of people's backyards, they open them up, they offer 6 cents a can. i have been noticing that. can you explain the economics of this industry, the bottle redemption industry? not just the people themselves who are picking up the cans on the street but the next step up. how do they make money? is there much money in that for people? >> you're absolutely right. there's more and more people doing this all around the country. we have been filming a lot in oklahoma and there's bottle and can collectors in oklahoma. we came out of a screening at the academy of motion picture arts and sciences and as soon as we walked out of this screening
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who is walking right down the street but a man with a big cart full of bottles and cans. the way it works is that nickel follows the bottle all the way from the -- the time that the soda is actually put into a can or the beer is put into a can and each time the distributor buys the nickel, they pay it to the bottler. when you buy your coke or whatever, you pay that nickel to the bodega and that's usually where that nickel disappears, and that's where the member and women in our film pick it up and the redenks centers buy back the cans. i think in new york stit it's another 3 cents they will get from the bottlers when they put it back. the actual metal in the cans is worth money. you had people breaking into some of the redemption centers in new york city to steal the metal. >> i was reading on the new york
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state website today, anyone can open a redemption center in new york and at no cost and people can read more about that online. but are there enough redemption centers in new york city? >> many of them were destroyed by hurricane sandy. it's forced many of the canners to become homeless. they're really suffering right now. it's tough, and there are many people who are an inch away from homelessness who depend on canning. >> matthew and john, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having us. up next, drones were all the talk of brennan's confirmation hearings. krystal's thoughts on the matter straight ahead. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ]
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a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative. >> so first let me get a few things out of the way on drones. in general i think drones can be a useful and effective tool of war if there's a bad guy, a senior leader of al qaeda let's say, who we can take out with a drone strike, i say we do it. i am however bothered by the secrecy, lack of transparency and lack of oversight of the drone program. the process by which we determine targets should be detailed and codified. the people who are killed, civilian and militant, should be public information or at least known by congress so we can study the overall impact of our drone policy on radicalizing civilian populations. and there should be some sort of judicial branch oversight such as special kourts or the threat of lawsuits after the fact perhaps. i'm okay with drones in general but not satisfied with the current way the program is being handled. there is something about the drone debate that is driving me nuts. and that is the charge mostly by republicans that if you feel any different about the drone
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program under president obama than you would have under george w. bush, you are an utter, hopeless hypocrite. let me ask you a question. how would you feel about a madeleine albright panel on women and body image. now how do you feel about the larry flint panel on women and body image. how do you feel about your kid and dr. ruth's sex ed class ver tus todd akin? do you feel different about warren buffett versus bernie madoff? of course you do because you're normal. according to the republican logic, if you feel any different about midlan albright and larry flint, you are a hypocrite. look, i voted for president obama because i trust his values and his judgment and i believe that he's a fundamentally responsible actor without gratuitously slamming ex-president bush, i think he displayed lapses in judgment in executing his primary responsibility in commander in